False Assays
by Barry
Carter
Created:
Modified: January 19, 2014
In his lectures, David Hudson often claimed that the ORMUS
minerals would give false assays. This, and
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/words.htm
In order to help clear up some of this confusion, I would like to describe some of the independent research that has been done by people in the ORMUS community.
Between 2002 and 2011 Don Nance sent me 39 assays from Acme Analytical Laboratories. Most of these were ICP-MS assays but a few were ICP/ES & MS or fire assays.
Here is a list of the assays with duplicate sources removed:
Brine made from Spa Brand Dead Sea salt
Dead Sea Brine precipitate to pH 8 UV
Dead Sea Brine precipitate washed salt out to pH 8 UV
Dried Clay from
Golden Tear
Golden Tear to green stage at pH 7
GSL Manna
Gulf Precipitate SO3 UV and sulfur
Gulf Precipitate SO3 UV and sulfur and microwave
Gulf Precipitate UV 7 days
Gulf Water off shore at John's pass
Gulf Water Precipitate
Gulf Water Precipitate left at 10.78 bolied till dry on electric burner no sulfur added
M-3 Black Sand Fire Assay
Masada Brine unfiltered
Pureganic boiled in lye too minerals that were left and added HCl and H2O2 Dried under UV
Pureganic boiled in lye too minerals that were left and added HCl Dried under UV
Real
Red Devil Lye
Schist dried boiled in lye and precipitated and uv
Shift Sample of rotten rock
Smart Brand Food grade HCl from Lowes
Spa Brand Dead Sea salt solution
Spa
UV dried Wet Method precipitates. 90%
White Dove
An example of duplication is that Don Nance did three White Dove assays between 2005 & 2008 and four assays on his Golden Tear between 2002 & 2009. Notice that he also had assays done on Red Devil Lye and HCl. You can find one of the Golden Tear assays at:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/assays.htm
Note, in the list of assays above, that 11 involved UV,
sulfur, microwaves and/or electric burners.
David Hudson claimed, in at least one of his lectures, that some of
these factors would move the ORMUS/ORME elements toward metal. Here are some
quotes from his
1:47:35 - I've found that there are four substances that pin these high spin atoms and take them back to the low spin state. Those substances are sulfites (SO3), carbon and carbon monoxide, nitric oxide, and short wavelength radiation (deep ultraviolet or shorter). That's what caused this stuff to explode in sunlight, I found out later. So there are four major things which cause this to go back to the low spin state. So, actually, in your body there are four things which cause this to go back to the low spin state. So that in your body it kills the light. It causes them to go back to the low spin state.
1:48:15 - I will say that when nitric oxide interreacts with these elements, taking them back to the low spin state, that it does involve a phenomenon called electron annihilation. And the actual nitric oxides instead of being nitrogen 14 becomes radioactive carbon 14 when that occurs. So that in your body, when dying you are producing radioactive carbon 14. It gets in your body a different way than they tell you it does. [This is not in other lectures. It is very interesting and needs to be checked out]
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ORMUS/presentations/tampaout.htm
In most of his lectures David Hudson also said that the
ORMUS/ORME minerals would give false assays as iron, silica and aluminum. In at
least one lecture he also added calcium to this list. In his
"The example I use is rhodium because it has a very unique color to the chloride solution. It is a cranberry color almost like the color of grape juice. There is no other element that produces the same color in chloride solution. When my rhodium was separated from all the other elements it produced that color of chloride. The last procedure you do to separate the material out is to neutralize the acid solution and it precipitates out of solution as a red brown dioxide. That is heated under a controlled atmosphere to 800 degrees for an hour and that creates the anhydrous dioxide. Then you hydro reduce that under a controlled atmosphere to get the element and then you anneal away the excess hydrogen. So when we did that, we neutralized the acid solution and precipitated it out as a red-brown dioxide. Which is the color it is supposed to precipitate. Then we filtered that out. We heated it under oxygen for an hour in a tube furnace then we hydro-reduced it to this gray-white powder: exactly the color rhodium should be as an element. Then we heated it up to 1400 degrees under argon to anneal away the material and it turned snow white.
Now this wasn't expected. This just
isn't what is supposed to happen. So what John did was he said "Dave, I'm
going to heat it to the anhydrous dioxide, I'm going to cool it down. I'm going
to take one third of the sample and put it in a sealed vial. I'm going to put
the rest of the sample back in the tube furnace and heat it up under oxygen,
cool it back down, purge it with inert gas, heat it back up under hydrogen to
reduce away the oxides and the hydrogen reacts with oxygen forming water and
cleans the metal. I'll cool that down to the gray-white powder. I'll take half
of that and put it in another sealed vial. I'll take the rest of the powder and
put it back in the furnace. I'm going to oxidize it,
and hydro-reduce it and anneal it to the white powder. Then I will put it into
a vial and send all three vials to Pacific Spectrochem
over in
The first analysis comes back. The red-brown dioxide is iron oxide. The next material comes back; silica and aluminum. No iron present. Now just putting hydrogen on the iron oxide has made the iron quit being iron and now it has become silica and aluminum. Now this was a big sample. We just made the iron turn into silica and aluminum. The snow white annealed sample was analyzed as calcium and silica. Where did the aluminum go?"
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So, here he has added a false reading of calcium.
The two best ways to confirm the existence of the ORMUS state of matter and those elements in this state is to convert ORMUS to metal and to convert metal to ORMUS. An Australian metallurgist has used the Peroxide Method to convert 25 metals into their ORMUS state.
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/25peroxide.htm
Three of Don Nance's assays on Peroxide Method white powder gold showed more iron, silica or aluminum than gold in the assay:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/GoldenTear.xls
The question is, do other ORMUS elements assay as different non ORMUS elements when they are assayed in different parts of their conversion or purification process?
David Hudson did not attend many of the lectures at Enota, in 2011. Instead, he spent a lot of time in one-on-one conversations with other attendees. I think he spent more time talking with Don Nance than any other attendee. In his conference call, David Hudson said this about Don: "Don Nance, of all the people I've met so far, is probably as qualified as anyone." He also made similar statements about Don Nance at Enota but I don't think we have them recorded.
Don Nance used the info above to test several ways of converting ORMUS to metal and metal to ORMUS. Don made a white powder from gold using three different methods. Here is a link to a picture of these white powders:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/4WhiteGoldMethods.jpg
Here are some examples of methods he used to start the conversion of ORMUS to metal:
Dead Sea Brine precipitate to pH 8 UV
Dead Sea Brine precipitate washed salt out to pH 8 UV
Gulf Precipitate SO3 UV and sulfur
Gulf Precipitate SO3 UV and sulfur and microwave
Gulf Precipitate UV 7 days
Gulf Water Precipitate left at 10.78 bolied till dry on electric burner no sulfur added
Pureganic boiled in lye too minerals that were left and added HCl and H2O2 Dried under UV
Pureganic boiled in lye too minerals that were left and added HCl Dried under UV
Schist dried boiled in lye and precipitated and uv
Spa
UV dried Wet Method precipitates. 90%
Another ORMUS researcher, named Don Duke, worked with David Hudson for over a decade. He also produced an ORMUS product. Here is a biographical quote from one of Don Duke's web pages:
"In 1989, Don Duke, an
industrial research chemist and herbalist by vocation, began collaborating with
Don Duke died on
http://web.archive.org/web/20070206161938/http://www.sunstoneassociates.com/p1.html
Here is a quote from Don Duke's product page:
MICRO-ELIXIR MINERALS
A white suspension in distilled water of allotropic/monatomic precious elements extracted from volcanic rock in a proprietary process. More concentrated minerals than in the Micro-Elixir Tea. Suggested use: ¼ tsp. OR 35 drops in a glass of water twice daily.
May boost energy level and may improve sense of well being.
May provide allotropic/monatomic nutrients for the nervous and immune systems.
May enhance consciousness and promote spiritual realization.
May enhance memory and learning ability.
May assist in maintaining good health.
Four ounce bottle $99.00
A 30 day supply if taken as suggested.
Don Duke sent the following statement in a post to TheWork back in 1999:
"I threw away my microwave years ago when I found it produces heat from breaking chemical bonds producing free radicals in food. Nuking is also a way of turning m-state to the metal."
Another thing that David Hudson said in his conference call was that he wished it was possible to convert ORMUS to metal in less than nine months. Don Nance also mentioned this in a post on the WhiteGold list:
Here I would ask you to ask yourself 'why do you think people need to be re-educated' and 'why do you think that you know better than what David Hudson himself told to Barry and I and anyone who was at Enota 2011 or present on the conference call'? When I spoke with him, he was already aware of my work and we cut to the heart of the matter and he gave me a few tips that help me to better identify the ormes. In other words, both Barry and I are proceeding along the currently accepted scientific analytical paradigm. The hold-up is simply a lacking of $ funding and the *fact* that after I torture the ormes they continue to *change* for what appears to be a full year..perhaps longer. These facts make this kind of analysis a very slow process :)
Here is another question for Don Nance from someone on one of the ORMUS forums:
"I don't usually read Barry's forums, so I apologize if I'm just asking for something you have already been adequately covered, but I think it would be very helpful if you would give us your own evaluation of what our best assay results tell us the orme content of ormus is. Don't you think that is important for people to know? Based on your best assay results, does your best ormus contain more ormes than carrots do or not?"
And here is Don's response:
Well, with carrots the orme content would depend upon the soil that they are grown in. So it is also logical to contend that the ormes content from different source materials will also vary. My assays tell me several things. The first thing I look at is 'what is missing?' IE, does the sample add up? I have had sample results come back that had 34% 'missing' and I have had sample results come back showing that 98% was missing...by weight. So, 'something' is there, by weight, that is 'invisible' to the ICP scans.
Next thing to do is to torture the sample and take a portion of it and have it assayed. Check those results while the remainder of the sample is just sitting in the dark. Wait for 6 months and take another portion and assay it. With the Masada Dead Sea salt experiments, the first tortured sample assay read as 1.4 oz/ton of silver and .04 oz/ton of gold with similar increases of copper, nickel, etc. The second assay came back as 279 oz/ton of silver and 1.408 oz/ton of gold with still more changes to the copper content and nickel, etc...and at the same time several of the platinum group 'suddenly' are showing up.
When I was talking with David Hudson at Enota, he gave me some tips and I recently put them to use while filming with Joe de Kadt. From what I could see in the crucible, the results were superior to my previous torturings :) I am expecting the assay results to arrive at any moment now.
So, in answer to your question, we are still on a path of discovery and while I am making progress it is slow going and I have not tortured Manna from all of my sources. From the above information you should be able to discern that it is not easy to get 'absolute quantifiables' and David spent $ millions getting to the results that he did. Once I get these latest results, should they tell me what I believe that they will, I will then know that I have a process to begin quantifying the Manna from all source materials.
However slow this progress is, one cannot
take the time to look at those
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Check out the assays linked at:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/dsassay.xls
Notice how the first assay of the
Silver
0.00%
3.61%
Aluminum
0.02%
5.20%
Gold
0.00%
0.02%
Chromium
0.00%
2.21%
Copper
0.00%
0.88%
Iron
0.01%
49.92%
Manganese
0.00%
0.84%
Nickel
0.00%
1.45%
This raises some questions. Is the increase in iron and aluminum due to false assays of partially converted rhodium? Should we include magnesium in the false assay list? Are ORMUS elements other than ORMUS rhodium showing up in assays as elements other than iron, silica, aluminum and calcium?
Arthur's Liquid-Chi.com web site has a new version of the levels of minerals contained in his different products. This new version is based on his latest assays and deliberately excludes the ORMUS elements. I suspect that this is because of the toxic metal associations that people make with metallic rhodium. You can see the new version of his web site at:
http://liquid-chi.com/store/index.php?main_page=page&id=12
Here is the old version of his Liquid-Chi assay with the ORMUS levels:
All values PPM Liquid Chi
Aluminum 282.7
Barium 1
Boron 7.5
Bromine 2.3
Calcium 332.3
Chloride* 4,359.40
Copper 0.8
Indium <0.1
Iron 48.4
Magnesium 3,215.40
Manganese 2.8
Phosphorus 1.3
Potassium 28.4
Rubidium <0.1
Silicon 48
Sodium* 2,830.80
Strontium 5.7
Titanium <0.1
Vanadium <0.1
Zinc 0.8
M-Au (Gold) 373
M-Ir (Iridium) 588
M-Rh (Rhodium) 1,677
Arthur used Don Duke's assay method to determine the amounts of ORMUS rhodium, iridium and gold in his white precipitate:
http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/wm-assay.htm
Arthur says that Don Duke's assay method is very time consuming and one step requires lots of attention over a period of five days.
I have calculated the numbers of the following from the element chart above:
Total without salt 6613.8
Ormus 2638
%ORMUS 39.9%
I cite the 35% number to be conservative.
It would be great if we could set up an independent research facility to figure out how these false assay results can be verified and corrected when using different source materials.
