Superfluid ORMUS
by Barry Carter


An American Institute of Physics web page claims that superfluid behavior can be expected from bosons but not from fermions:


    "A superfluid is a liquid that flows without viscosity or inner friction. For a liquid to become superfluid, the atoms or molecules making up the liquid must be cooled or "condensed" to the point at which they all occupy the same quantum state. A liquid of helium-3, an atom whose nucleus is made up of an odd number of particles, is a type of particle known as a fermion. Groups of fermions are not allowed to occupy the same quantum state.


    By cooling the liquid to a low enough temperature, helium-3 atoms can pair up (left panel). The number of particles in each nucleus adds up to an even number, making it a type of particle known as a boson. Groups of bosons can fall into the same quantum state, and therefore superfluidity can be achieved. Helium-4 (middle panel), a boson, does not need to pair up to form a superfluid; groups of helium-4 atoms condense into the superfluid state at about 2 degrees above absolute zero. Superfluidity, especially the kind that exists in helium-3, is analogous to conventional low-temperature superconductivity, in which electrons flow through certain metals and alloys without resistance. In a superconductor (right panel), electrons, which are fermions, pair up in the metal crystal to form "Cooper pairs," bosons which can then condense into a superconducting state."


This quote with pictures can be found at


Various ORMUS researchers have observed phenomena which suggest that that ORMUS sometimes behaves as a superfluid.


In 1989 Jim told me that a puddle of ozonated mine waste water from one of his mine clean up projects moved across the floor toward the nearest person. Here is a transcript of Jimís description of this phenomenon when a friend interviewed him on tape on November 12, 1995:


Jim:           OK, well we were doing samples from various locations of eastern Oregon and processing it in Tracy's garage.  Gold processing.  We attempted a setup similar to what we are doing now only it was a recirculating column with a filter and all that stuff to take out the precipitates and mud that we had.  Like a kiddy pool or something for our batch tank or, you know, it was a pretty good size . . .  It wasn't a kiddy pool, it was actually a horse watering basin, I think.  With this PVC column with charcoal in it and nuking it, through a masi.  Doin' the trip, then sprinkling it over this carbon air cell that was forced air at the top and then blowing the air down through the carbon.  Similar to what we did at the other one. 


D:              Was there a sprinkler in . . ?


Jim:           There was a sprinkler, literally, at the top.  And it worked pretty good.  But we had a bunch of leaks and stuff and in the course of cleaning up we noticed that we had a spot of water in the garage on the floor that would follow people around.  I mean, whoever was closest to it, it would sit there and creep towards them.


D:              Like, inches?


Jim:           Like, feet.  Like going for you.


D:              Was it clear water?


Jim:           It was clear. It was . . . it looked like water in all outward appearances.  It didn't look muddy, but the stuff would literally, . . .  We were playing with it cause it was by a foosball table.  We played a couple games of foosball afterwards and we noticed that this thing had shifted like six or eight feet towards us.  And so just for grins we had Kris, his old lady, sit in a chair on the other side of the puddle towards the door.  But much, much closer to it; like two feet away.  And the thing moved like a foot closer to her in the course of time taken to play a game of foosball.


D:              Did it leave a wet trail, where it had been?


Jim:           Um.


D:              Like was it spreading out wider or did it stay the same?


Jim:           No, it was fairly cohesive.  That's one thing I can definitely say.  Good question.  Thank you.  It was definitely fairly cohesive.  In fact if anything it was getting more and more so that way.  Um, it struck us as real, real odd!


Other ORMUS researchers have reported examples of superfluid behavior as well. On Friday, February 14, 2003 Jonathan wrote the following to the ORMUS Scientific Workgroup:


Annealing certainly seems appropriate for making gold-glass and other metallurgical products. But, this makes no sense for making physio- and psycho-active materials.  We had already acquired the equipment needed for annealing when we determined that high temperatures destroy the ORMUS species obtained from seawater and the super-active materials made from copper and gold.  One can clearly see the difference after drying as the active materials always display the self-similar organization one sees in fractal realizations while the overheated salts form an amorphous cake.  The active materials actually continue to grow over the side of dish if there is an excess of the oily phase, while nothing more happens with the dead stuff.


Later that same day Hank replied:


LOL!  I had that problem in trying to 'dry' my wet gold precipitate by conventional means.  I got it down to a damp crystalline mass and bottled it in a jar with a tight (I thought) plastic screw top.  The stuff kept creeping up the jar walls and under the cap and down the outside of the jar for months afterward.  Finally I got it to air dry enough that this stopped.


These and other examples suggest that the ORMUS elements can be superfluids at room temperature.