From: Barry Carter <>

Dear Manuela,

The web pages you have quoted show such a stunning lack of scientific understanding about the subjects that they address that it is difficult to know where to begin. Nevertheless, I am going to just start with something.

First, the web sites you cite use the terms "white powder gold" and "monoatomic gold" regularly and interchangeably. They suggest that white powder gold is a plot by some powerful global or interstellar organization to implement mind control or damage our ability to ascend. If this were the case, I would think that there would be some well funded source that is producing and distributing white powder gold. This is not true. I don't believe that you can purchase or obtain pure white powder gold from anyone right now. If you go to:

you will see that the product sold there is not a white powder. It is an off-white precipitate in liquid. When dried, as you can see in the microscopic picture on that page, it is certainly not white. Similar precipitates in water can be purchased from other ORMUS producers but, as far as I know, none of them provide the pure white dry powder that David Hudson talked about. One possible exception might be the white powder gold product made by Ascension Alchemy as described at:

I hear that this product is very difficult to get hold of. The people who make it require that you purchase and use other products before "graduating" to their white powder gold product and people have generally been saying that it is very difficult for new people to even get started on any of the products. Does this sound to you like the way an interstellar/global conspiracy might go about getting a product out to the masses?

Second, the use of the term "monoatomic" is probably erroneous. David Hudson provided no evidence that would prove that any of the ORMUS elements are monoatomic. They could also be conjoined diatoms of gold or a fused atom of gold and hydrogen. Regardless of whether they are monatoms, diatoms or subatomic as some have suggested, almost everyone that has worked with them agrees that they do not form chemical bonds. This means that chemically bonding them to strands of DNA as suggested by Anna Hayes and others would be impossible. According to David Hudson's theory about the nature of the ORMUS elements they no longer have available valence electrons to form compounds with DNA or any other atom or molecule.

When so called, "channelled information" is so much in disagreement with what is known to science you give more weight to the possibility that the "channelled information" is erroneous and misleading rather than that the scientific information is in error.

Third, a colleague has trapped ORME silver, copper and gold out of the air and converted it into metal. He has also trapped all of the ORME elements out of water and converted them into metal. According to the theories about the nature of these materials, all of these substances exist in a single unit state, either as monatoms, conjoined diatoms or transmuted monatoms. None of these states, according to the most popular theories, have available valence electrons for chemical bonding. Despite this, they seem to be present in relatively high amounts in the air we breathe and the water we drink. The only way to avoid ingesting these potent forms of these elements would be to quit drinking water and to quit breathing air. Perhaps this is what Anna Hayes is suggesting. I suspect that if you quit ingesting ORME gold by not breathing air and not drinking water you will ascend within a very short time.

I have written more on this subject in the past which I will quote now:

Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 01:37:38 -0800
From: WhiteGold-List <>
Subject: WhiteGold: Conflicting info

From: Barry Carter <>
Subject: Conflicting info

Dear Friends,

I have answered this question a lot lately. Here is my standard answer for those of you who have not seen it yet.

Most great teachers throughout history have taught one principle: you create your own reality. This principle and its ramifications would absolutely preclude anyone else from controlling you.

There are many people who do not understand this principle and its ramifications. They fear that they remain safe and secure only as long as they can control others. In order to control others, they must first convince as many of these others as possible that their lives and circumstances can be controlled by outside forces.

These fearful people often believe that their power and control over their circumstances must be forcefully organized by setting up control structures. They then try to use these structures to enforce the fiction that they control others in order to make their own life acceptable.

All structures are designed to resist change, whether the structure is a building, a government, a belief, a church or a corporation. (We generally consider things that do not change to be dead things.)

I see the greatest promise of ORMUS to be that it helps to reinforce our connection to life, the universe and everything. This is a great threat to most structures and the people who serve them. As the people who serve these structures become aware of ORMUS and what it does, I would expect them to contrive ways to move people into fear concerning it. Structures, and the people who serve them, most often use fear to try to control others.

Beliefs are structures too. If each of us creates our own reality, the false belief that someone else can control anyone's mind is the most outrageous false belief that I can think of.

One of the greatest threats to the ORMUS movement is the use of fear to turn people away from it. I can see why many structures and the people who serve them might be threatened by ORMUS. ORMUS is an agent of change for many of these structures which were built to resist change. ORMUS improves our individual connection to life, the universe and everything so we no longer feel dependent on a church structure to serve as an intermediary. ORMUS improves our ability to feed ourselves so we can become less dependent on corporate agriculture structures to provide food. ORMUS helps us to manifest what we want in our lives in a way that might threaten government structures that consider this to be their role. ORMUS helps us to be healthy and this might threaten those structures that are dependent on disease for support.

People have been using variations of the ORMUS scare tactics described at:

for quite a while. I first saw this in an article by Anna Hayes on the Internet in 2000. I do not know if these people are serving larger structures or their own small structures. I do know that their claims are totally unsupported by any scientific evidence. Back in 2000 I responded to the original Anna Hayes article. Though some of the facts in my response have changed since then, I think it is still informative to see my whole response to the original Anna Hayes article:

Dear Phil and Anna,

I just had a look at your web page at:

It looks like someone has misinformed you about the nature of the so-called white powder gold in a number of ways:

1. No white powder gold is available commercially from any source except as it occurs naturally in foods.

2. David Hudson, who described the white powder of gold, never made much of it or intended to distribute it. In his original ore only about 1% was gold in the m-state.

3. The gold that he described as monatomic probably is diatomic. For this reason I shall refer to it as m-state gold or just m-gold. (The "m" can mean microcluster or manna as well as monatomic.)

4. Several m-state products are available. All of them have a very small percentage of m-state gold. Most of the m-state in nature is probably m-rhodium and m-iridium.

5. Every living plant and animal has a relatively high level of the m-state elements in it. It looks like it is essential to life.

6. Plants grown in m-state soil are more drought resistant, are less likely to be attacked by insects and disease and seem to be more nutritious.

7. The m-state elements in plants probably are necessary for the capillary action which "pumps" water to the extremities of the plant.

8. Though modern agricultural and food processing methods do their best to eliminate the m-state elements from our food it is doubtful that any living thing could live without them.

9. The m-state elements are present in all natural water and probably help give water its familiar properties.

10. They also naturally occur in the air and can be "trapped" out of the air using appropriate technology.

11. These elements are particularly abundant in ocean water yet they don't seem to harm plants and animals which live in the ocean.

12. Modern science does seem to know something about the "DNA templates". See a paper on the DNA phantom effect by Dr. Vladimir Poponin. There is a summary of Dr. Poponin's paper at:

"Dr. Vladimir Poponin and his Russian colleagues serendipitously discovered the DNA phantom effect during experiments observing DNA molecules with a laser photon correlation spectrometer. To their surprise, they found characteristic and reproducible patterns of photon scattering both while DNA molecules remained in the path of the laser beam and after the DNA molecules were removed from the laser pathway. They were able to detect the photon patterns (which they called the DNA phantom effect) for as long as several months after removal of the physical DNA from the system. They realized they had demonstrated a link - or coupling - between the electromagnetic energy of the DNA molecule and the zero energy vacuum substructure predicted by quantum physics."

13. The great physicist David Bohm predicted this "substructure" and called it the "implicate order". Based on Bohm's work, a biologist named Rupert Sheldrake postulated that there was a non-physical template for living things. Sheldrake called this template the "morphogenic field".

14. At certain "energy" levels some of the m-state elements can disappear, levitate, and "tunnel" through solid objects. The implication is that they have one foot in the physical and one foot in the non-physical realm.

15. I know people who first took concentrated m-state materials into their body over a decade ago. There is no evidence that these materials are habituating, that is, they require higher and higher doses, or that they are addictive. On the contrary, people who have taken the m-state materials for a long time tend to reduce their intake as their physical ailments subside. I have been ingesting these elements for over four years now and I have been reducing my dose fairly consistently for the last year or so. It seems that my body is producing its own m-state.

16. Since the m-state elements are not readily identifiable in natural sources, they are often mistaken for other elements. Silica is one of those other elements that the m-state gets mistaken for. Natural silica would be very likely to have significant amounts of m-state in it.

17. Any planet composed of rock would have significant amounts of naturally occurring m-state in the air. It looks like these elements are something like a million times more common in the earth than their metallic counterparts.

18. It is my understanding that DNA has two strands with two end points. From which of these end points does the "first 3 Strands of the DNA Template" originate.

19. None of your statements is referenced and footnoted to any other document scientific or psychic. It is difficult to figure out how these inaccurate conclusions were arrived at without some reference to source.

I agree with your conclusion that the white powder gold is not particularly beneficial. I ate it for about a month and totally did not like the way I felt. It made me feel lethargic and spacey. Other colleagues have reported similar effects. I try to discourage people from focusing on the m-state gold as being beneficial in any way.

The m-rhodium, m-iridium and m-platinum, on the other hand, have had a generally beneficial effect on my health and well being. I have not noticed any psychic effects except that I do seem to be better able to be in the right place at the right time.

Since 2000 we have learned that ORMUS is in the air, all water, and probably in all food. I doubt that anyone could avoid it under any circumstances.

If you wish to view some "channelled" information that contradicts the Anna Hayes information see:

Other "channelled" information that contradicts the Anna Hayes info can be found in the Ramtha material and in the Matthew material.

The research that Ken Adachi cites on his web site did not involve ORMUS gold. The nanocluster gold is still metallic gold.

Following is another note I wrote on a related subject in December of 2000:

Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:06:01 -0700
From: Barry Carter <>
Subject: Re: WhiteGold: Annunaki?

Zacharia Sitchin proposed (in several of his books) that aliens (called
Annunaki) were partly responsible for the Sumerian civilization. He claims that
these aliens used humans to mine gold to be used to restore the atmosphere on
the aliens' planet. He also claims that these aliens, who evolved on a planet
with an elliptical orbit which extends from inside the orbit of the Earth to
outside the orbit of Pluto (this would make an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere,
liquid for most of the orbit), were able to exchange genetic material with

David Hudson, in some of his lectures, suggested that the gold the Annunaki
were after might have been for the purpose of converting to m-state and
dispersing into the atmosphere. As an illustration of the depth of David
Hudson's understanding of astrophysics I have the following quote from his 1995
Dallas lecture:

"For those of you who are interested, did you know that NASA has learned that
you can scrape tissue out of the checks of the astronauts, and put the
equivalent of a lie detector instrument on the tissue and that when the
astronaut is out there, you know, millions of light years away, that when he's
subjected to stress, that the cells instantaneously experience stress here on
Earth even though they're not in his body.

And they've actually done this and proven it and so, because it takes hours for
the radio transmission to come back, then to sort through, send it back, what
to do, but the very instant he experiences stress they know it, even though his
radio transmission hasn't come.  They know that there is a communication
capable instantaneous between these body parts from that person and that
person.  It isn't broken when it's taken out of his body.  They know that.
They're working with radionics.  They know about this."

To help put Hudson's knowledge of astrophysics into perspective, light travels
5,880,000,000,000 miles in a year and the distance to the Earth's moon (the
farthest that an astronaut has ever been from Earth) is only 238,860 miles. It
takes light a little over a second to travel from the moon to the Earth.

Laurence Gardner, in Genesis of the Grail Kings, has fleshed out the supposed
connection between Annunaki gold and the ORMUS gold. Gardner also claims that
the "pendragon" or dragon kings of Europe are descended from the ancient line
of Hebrew alchemical kings. Dan Winter, Anna Hayes, Drunvalo and others have
claimed that these dragon kings were pawns to Drakonian aliens and that these
same aliens are promoting White Powder Gold as a means toward mind control or
to permanently damage the DNA of humans. Here is a passage from an article on
this subject by Anna Hayes:

"I am also told that the ancient Sirian Nibiruian Anunnaki and Nephilim
harvested earth for the element of gold because they had found a way to make a
version of WPG that could be ionized into the air of their planet to create
longevity of their biology. What they didn't count on was that it created
genetic dependence on the artificially manufactured substance, and if
progressively higher concentrations were not imbued into the air, their bodies
sickened and died rapidly. After depleting their gold elemental supply, they
turned to earth to harvest the element for production of the WPG-type
substance, to sustain Nibiru's atmosphere. Somewhere along the line they
received some kind of genetic repair assistance from some other stellar race
(Hathors, I think), that weaned them of the WPG dependence so they no longer
needed to have the stuff in their planetary atmosphere, but their race still
bears the genetic damage caused by use of the stuff.

The GA warned me about WPG in 1998 (before I ever heard of Mono-atomic), saying
that the Drakonian Kurendara race of Nibiru (Nephilim-Dracos hybrids) were
reintroducing the recipes for WPG on earth to help digression of human culture
and malfunction of human DNA. According to GA, they introduced it as a "quick
fix" for spiritual enlightenment, knowing that it would wipe out the integrity
of the first 3 DNA strand templates, so humans would no longer be able to hold
the natural activation of the higher DNA strands and the levels of
consciousness that correspond to them. Now, the substance is making it into the
mainstream, with some sci-tech versions being contrived, and nobody really
knows (except perhaps the star races and the Kurendara Nibiruan) where the
great inspiration to make the stuff really came from. Food for thought when
considering WPG products."

I sent Anna Hayes a note pointing out the errors in this web page but got no
response. The web page is no longer available but can still be seen as a cached
file by doing a Google search on:

I think that Dan Winter does not firmly support this position but I could be

Here is an interesting passage on aliens from Love Without End - Jesus Speaks by
Glenda Green:

"You are not alone. As you suspect, there are younger and older brothers
elsewhere. Every brotherhood, however, is an entity unto itself with its own
right of familyhood, to come of age together. Looking elsewhere is not the
answer at this time. Looking to each other and to God is the answer to becoming
all that you can be. In many ways your science fiction movies have misled you
to believe that consciousness follows technology. Such movies give the false
impression that structured, polarized consciousness can be expanded in outreach
across the universe simply by accelerating technology. Then somehow, as if by
magic, consciousness can be caused to grow. Nothing could be further from the
truth. Technology does not cause an increase in consciousness. Consciousness
causes technology. First a change of consciousness must occur before a greater
technical outreach is possible. Your planet and others of its kind are like
islands in a great ocean with no easy way of bridging the distance. Mutuality
is the law of intergalactic connection. Those civilizations which are equal or
behind yours cannot reach you any more than you can reach them. There is enough
distance between each one to ensure that this will remain true. Those which can
draw near have the consciousness to compress great distances. Aside from
possible desperation or degeneration, it is not within their consciousness to
exploit or to conquer mankind.

"I would be misleading you to imply that the galactic community is without its
points of turbulence and misbehavior, for there is always free will. However,
there is a rule that is generally true, and you can rely upon it to give you
comfort. Those who could harm you cannot reach you. Those who can reach you
would not likely harm you. In His great wisdom, The Creator saw fit to space
all life-bearing planets far enough apart to establish this condition. This is
combined with a secondary fact that all truly advanced technologies are based
on principles of synchronicity, holistic patterning, and respect for the
dynamics of life. The idea of marauders traveling at the speed of light and
beyond, simply for conquest, is pure fiction. The synchronicity required for
that technology simply could not be derived from a consciousness based on
conflict. "Through the one spirit, all beings of love everywhere are exerting
an influence on each other. Sometimes this is recognized and felt directly, and
most often it is simply received as resonance or harmony which one chooses to
accept or ignore."
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