From: Barry Carter <email@example.com>
Subject: ORMUS AND LAURENCE GARDNER CONNECTION
The web pages you have quoted show such a stunning lack of scientific
understanding about the subjects that they address that it is difficult
to know where to begin. Nevertheless, I am going to just start with
First, the web sites you cite use the terms "white powder gold" and
"monoatomic gold" regularly and interchangeably. They suggest that
white powder gold is a plot by some powerful global or interstellar
organization to implement mind control or damage our ability to ascend.
If this were the case, I would think that there would be some well
funded source that is producing and distributing white powder gold.
This is not true. I don't believe that you can purchase or obtain pure
white powder gold from anyone right now. If you go to:
you will see that the product sold there is not a white powder. It is
an off-white precipitate in liquid. When dried, as you can see in the
microscopic picture on that page, it is certainly not white. Similar
precipitates in water can be purchased from other ORMUS producers but,
as far as I know, none of them provide the pure white dry powder that
David Hudson talked about. One possible exception might be the white
powder gold product made by Ascension Alchemy as described at:
I hear that this product is very difficult to get hold of. The people
who make it require that you purchase and use other products before
"graduating" to their white powder gold product and people have
generally been saying that it is very difficult for new people to even
get started on any of the products. Does this sound to you like the way
an interstellar/global conspiracy might go about getting a product out
to the masses?
Second, the use of the term "monoatomic" is probably erroneous. David
Hudson provided no evidence that would prove that any of the ORMUS
elements are monoatomic. They could also be conjoined diatoms of gold
or a fused atom of gold and hydrogen. Regardless of whether they are
monatoms, diatoms or subatomic as some have suggested, almost everyone
that has worked with them agrees that they do not form chemical bonds.
This means that chemically bonding them to strands of DNA as suggested
by Anna Hayes and others would be impossible. According to David
Hudson's theory about the nature of the ORMUS elements they no longer
have available valence electrons to form compounds with DNA or any
other atom or molecule.
When so called, "channelled information" is so much in disagreement
with what is known to science you give more weight to the possibility
that the "channelled information" is erroneous and misleading rather
than that the scientific information is in error.
Third, a colleague has trapped ORME silver, copper and gold out of the
air and converted it into metal. He has also trapped all of the ORME
elements out of water and converted them into metal. According to the
theories about the nature of these materials, all of these substances
exist in a single unit state, either as monatoms, conjoined diatoms or
transmuted monatoms. None of these states, according to the most
popular theories, have available valence electrons for chemical
bonding. Despite this, they seem to be present in relatively high
amounts in the air we breathe and the water we drink. The only way to
avoid ingesting these potent forms of these elements would be to quit
drinking water and to quit breathing air. Perhaps this is what Anna
Hayes is suggesting. I suspect that if you quit ingesting ORME gold by
not breathing air and not drinking water you will ascend within a very
I have written more on this subject in the past which I will quote now:
Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 01:37:38 -0800
From: WhiteGold-List <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: WhiteGold: Conflicting info
From: Barry Carter <email@example.com>
Subject: Conflicting info
I have answered this question a lot lately. Here is my standard answer
for those of you who have not seen it yet.
Most great teachers throughout history have taught one principle: you
create your own reality. This principle and its ramifications would
absolutely preclude anyone else from controlling you.
There are many people who do not understand this principle and its
ramifications. They fear that they remain safe and secure only as long
as they can control others. In order to control others, they must first
convince as many of these others as possible that their lives and
circumstances can be controlled by outside forces.
These fearful people often believe that their power and control over
their circumstances must be forcefully organized by setting up control
structures. They then try to use these structures to enforce the
fiction that they control others in order to make their own life
All structures are designed to resist change, whether the structure is
a building, a government, a belief, a church or a corporation. (We
generally consider things that do not change to be dead things.)
I see the greatest promise of ORMUS to be that it helps to reinforce
our connection to life, the universe and everything. This is a great
threat to most structures and the people who serve them. As the people
who serve these structures become aware of ORMUS and what it does, I
would expect them to contrive ways to move people into fear concerning
it. Structures, and the people who serve them, most often use fear to
try to control others.
Beliefs are structures too. If each of us creates our own reality, the
false belief that someone else can control anyone's mind is the most
outrageous false belief that I can think of.
One of the greatest threats to the ORMUS movement is the use of fear to
turn people away from it. I can see why many structures and the people
who serve them might be threatened by ORMUS. ORMUS is an agent of
change for many of these structures which were built to resist change.
ORMUS improves our individual connection to life, the universe and
everything so we no longer feel dependent on a church structure to
serve as an intermediary. ORMUS improves our ability to feed ourselves
so we can become less dependent on corporate agriculture structures to
provide food. ORMUS helps us to manifest what we want in our lives in a
way that might threaten government structures that consider this to be
their role. ORMUS helps us to be healthy and this might threaten those
structures that are dependent on disease for support.
People have been using variations of the ORMUS scare tactics described
for quite a while. I first saw this in an article by Anna Hayes on the
Internet in 2000. I do not know if these people are serving larger
structures or their own small structures. I do know that their claims
are totally unsupported by any scientific evidence. Back in 2000 I
responded to the original Anna Hayes article. Though some of the facts
in my response have changed since then, I think it is still informative
to see my whole response to the original Anna Hayes article:
Dear Phil and Anna,
I just had a look at your web page at:
It looks like someone has misinformed you about the nature of the
so-called white powder gold in a number of ways:
1. No white powder gold is available commercially from any source
except as it occurs naturally in foods.
2. David Hudson, who described the white powder of gold, never made
much of it or intended to distribute it. In his original ore only about
1% was gold in the m-state.
3. The gold that he described as monatomic probably is diatomic. For
this reason I shall refer to it as m-state gold or just m-gold. (The
"m" can mean microcluster or manna as well as monatomic.)
4. Several m-state products are available. All of them have a very
small percentage of m-state gold. Most of the m-state in nature is
probably m-rhodium and m-iridium.
5. Every living plant and animal has a relatively high level of the
m-state elements in it. It looks like it is essential to life.
6. Plants grown in m-state soil are more drought resistant, are less
likely to be attacked by insects and disease and seem to be more
7. The m-state elements in plants probably are necessary for the
capillary action which "pumps" water to the extremities of the plant.
8. Though modern agricultural and food processing methods do their best
to eliminate the m-state elements from our food it is doubtful that any
living thing could live without them.
9. The m-state elements are present in all natural water and probably
help give water its familiar properties.
10. They also naturally occur in the air and can be "trapped" out of
the air using appropriate technology.
11. These elements are particularly abundant in ocean water yet they
don't seem to harm plants and animals which live in the ocean.
12. Modern science does seem to know something about the "DNA
templates". See a paper on the DNA phantom effect by Dr. Vladimir
Poponin. There is a summary of Dr. Poponin's paper at:
"Dr. Vladimir Poponin and his Russian colleagues serendipitously
discovered the DNA phantom effect during experiments observing DNA
molecules with a laser photon correlation spectrometer. To their
surprise, they found characteristic and reproducible patterns of photon
scattering both while DNA molecules remained in the path of the laser
beam and after the DNA molecules were removed from the laser pathway.
They were able to detect the photon patterns (which they called the DNA
phantom effect) for as long as several months after removal of the
physical DNA from the system. They realized they had demonstrated a
link - or coupling - between the electromagnetic energy of the DNA
molecule and the zero energy vacuum substructure predicted by quantum
13. The great physicist David Bohm predicted this "substructure" and
called it the "implicate order". Based on Bohm's work, a biologist
named Rupert Sheldrake postulated that there was a non-physical
template for living things. Sheldrake called this template the
14. At certain "energy" levels some of the m-state elements can
disappear, levitate, and "tunnel" through solid objects. The
implication is that they have one foot in the physical and one foot in
the non-physical realm.
15. I know people who first took concentrated m-state materials into
their body over a decade ago. There is no evidence that these materials
are habituating, that is, they require higher and higher doses, or that
they are addictive. On the contrary, people who have taken the m-state
materials for a long time tend to reduce their intake as their physical
ailments subside. I have been ingesting these elements for over four
years now and I have been reducing my dose fairly consistently for the
last year or so. It seems that my body is producing its own m-state.
16. Since the m-state elements are not readily identifiable in natural
sources, they are often mistaken for other elements. Silica is one of
those other elements that the m-state gets mistaken for. Natural silica
would be very likely to have significant amounts of m-state in it.
17. Any planet composed of rock would have significant amounts of
naturally occurring m-state in the air. It looks like these elements
are something like a million times more common in the earth than their
18. It is my understanding that DNA has two strands with two end
points. From which of these end points does the "first 3 Strands of the
DNA Template" originate.
19. None of your statements is referenced and footnoted to any other
document scientific or psychic. It is difficult to figure out how these
inaccurate conclusions were arrived at without some reference to source.
I agree with your conclusion that the white powder gold is not
particularly beneficial. I ate it for about a month and totally did not
like the way I felt. It made me feel lethargic and spacey. Other
colleagues have reported similar effects. I try to discourage people
from focusing on the m-state gold as being beneficial in any way.
The m-rhodium, m-iridium and m-platinum, on the other hand, have had a
generally beneficial effect on my health and well being. I have not
noticed any psychic effects except that I do seem to be better able to
be in the right place at the right time.
END OF FORWARDED NOTE
Since 2000 we have learned that ORMUS is in the air, all water, and
probably in all food. I doubt that anyone could avoid it under any
If you wish to view some "channelled" information that contradicts the
Anna Hayes information see:
Other "channelled" information that contradicts the Anna Hayes info can
be found in the Ramtha material and in the Matthew material.
The research that Ken Adachi cites on his web site did not involve
ORMUS gold. The nanocluster gold is still metallic gold.
Following is another note I wrote on a related subject in December of
Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:06:01 -0700
From: Barry Carter <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Subject: Re: WhiteGold: Annunaki?
Zacharia Sitchin proposed (in several of his books) that aliens (called
Annunaki) were partly responsible for the Sumerian civilization. He
these aliens used humans to mine gold to be used to restore the
the aliens' planet. He also claims that these aliens, who evolved on a
with an elliptical orbit which extends from inside the orbit of the
outside the orbit of Pluto (this would make an oxygen/nitrogen
liquid for most of the orbit), were able to exchange genetic material
David Hudson, in some of his lectures, suggested that the gold the
were after might have been for the purpose of converting to m-state and
dispersing into the atmosphere. As an illustration of the depth of David
Hudson's understanding of astrophysics I have the following quote from
"For those of you who are interested, did you know that NASA has
you can scrape tissue out of the checks of the astronauts, and put the
equivalent of a lie detector instrument on the tissue and that when the
astronaut is out there, you know, millions of light years away, that
subjected to stress, that the cells instantaneously experience stress
Earth even though they're not in his body.
And they've actually done this and proven it and so, because it takes
the radio transmission to come back, then to sort through, send it
to do, but the very instant he experiences stress they know it, even
radio transmission hasn't come. They know that there is a
capable instantaneous between these body parts from that person and that
person. It isn't broken when it's taken out of his body.
They know that.
They're working with radionics. They know about this."
To help put Hudson's knowledge of astrophysics into perspective, light
5,880,000,000,000 miles in a year and the distance to the Earth's moon
farthest that an astronaut has ever been from Earth) is only 238,860
takes light a little over a second to travel from the moon to the Earth.
Laurence Gardner, in Genesis of the Grail Kings, has fleshed out the
connection between Annunaki gold and the ORMUS gold. Gardner also
the "pendragon" or dragon kings of Europe are descended from the
of Hebrew alchemical kings. Dan Winter, Anna Hayes, Drunvalo and others
claimed that these dragon kings were pawns to Drakonian aliens and that
same aliens are promoting White Powder Gold as a means toward mind
to permanently damage the DNA of humans. Here is a passage from an
this subject by Anna Hayes:
"I am also told that the ancient Sirian Nibiruian Anunnaki and Nephilim
harvested earth for the element of gold because they had found a way to
version of WPG that could be ionized into the air of their planet to
longevity of their biology. What they didn't count on was that it
genetic dependence on the artificially manufactured substance, and if
progressively higher concentrations were not imbued into the air, their
sickened and died rapidly. After depleting their gold elemental supply,
turned to earth to harvest the element for production of the WPG-type
substance, to sustain Nibiru's atmosphere. Somewhere along the line they
received some kind of genetic repair assistance from some other stellar
(Hathors, I think), that weaned them of the WPG dependence so they no
needed to have the stuff in their planetary atmosphere, but their race
bears the genetic damage caused by use of the stuff.
The GA warned me about WPG in 1998 (before I ever heard of
that the Drakonian Kurendara race of Nibiru (Nephilim-Dracos hybrids)
reintroducing the recipes for WPG on earth to help digression of human
and malfunction of human DNA. According to GA, they introduced it as a
fix" for spiritual enlightenment, knowing that it would wipe out the
of the first 3 DNA strand templates, so humans would no longer be able
the natural activation of the higher DNA strands and the levels of
consciousness that correspond to them. Now, the substance is making it
mainstream, with some sci-tech versions being contrived, and nobody
knows (except perhaps the star races and the Kurendara Nibiruan) where
great inspiration to make the stuff really came from. Food for thought
considering WPG products."
I sent Anna Hayes a note pointing out the errors in this web page but
response. The web page is no longer available but can still be seen as
file by doing a Google search on:
I think that Dan Winter does not firmly support this position but I
Here is an interesting passage on aliens from Love Without End - Jesus
"You are not alone. As you suspect, there are younger and older brothers
elsewhere. Every brotherhood, however, is an entity unto itself with
right of familyhood, to come of age together. Looking elsewhere is not
answer at this time. Looking to each other and to God is the answer to
all that you can be. In many ways your science fiction movies have
to believe that consciousness follows technology. Such movies give the
impression that structured, polarized consciousness can be expanded in
across the universe simply by accelerating technology. Then somehow, as
magic, consciousness can be caused to grow. Nothing could be further
truth. Technology does not cause an increase in consciousness.
causes technology. First a change of consciousness must occur before a
technical outreach is possible. Your planet and others of its kind are
islands in a great ocean with no easy way of bridging the distance.
is the law of intergalactic connection. Those civilizations which are
behind yours cannot reach you any more than you can reach them. There
distance between each one to ensure that this will remain true. Those
draw near have the consciousness to compress great distances. Aside from
possible desperation or degeneration, it is not within their
exploit or to conquer mankind.
"I would be misleading you to imply that the galactic community is
points of turbulence and misbehavior, for there is always free will.
there is a rule that is generally true, and you can rely upon it to
comfort. Those who could harm you cannot reach you. Those who can reach
would not likely harm you. In His great wisdom, The Creator saw fit to
all life-bearing planets far enough apart to establish this condition.
combined with a secondary fact that all truly advanced technologies are
on principles of synchronicity, holistic patterning, and respect for the
dynamics of life. The idea of marauders traveling at the speed of light
beyond, simply for conquest, is pure fiction. The synchronicity
that technology simply could not be derived from a consciousness based
conflict. "Through the one spirit, all beings of love everywhere are
an influence on each other. Sometimes this is recognized and felt
most often it is simply received as resonance or harmony which one
accept or ignore."