THE purpose of publishing these extracts is to show the technique and conditions under which the work was done. The reader should study these side by side with the diagrams given earlier. In order to facilitate this the extracts are arranged in the order in which the subjects and diagrams appear in the book and page references given. The objective nature of Mr. Leadbeater's clairvoyance appears very evident.

The observations were made by Mr. C. W. Leadbeater and the questioner was Mr. C. Jinaraja-
dasa All were made between 1922 and 1933 and took place in Australia or at Adyar. Madras. Miss
K V. Maddox was the stenographer in Australia.

Heavy Hydrogen-Deuterium, p. 41
The following observation of the electrolysis
of water was performed at Adyar. Vessels con
taining distilled and tap water were used and two
copper terminals attached to the house mains were
placed in the water. The current was D. C.
At 2-30 p.m. Mr. Leadbeater sat by a window with
the two receptacles before him.
(The current is turned on.)
C. J. Is this Hydrogen coming off here ?
C. W. L. It is happening very slowly.
C. J. The main thing is, is this the ordinary
Hydrogen or a double variety ?
C. W. L. I do not see anything different yet.
Wait a minute. Wouldn't you do it
more quickly if you gave it something
to combine with, if you put in old rusty
nails? (There were no nails, so a rusty
key was put in.)

C. J. Here is distilled water. There is some

thing coming. I can see the gas coming
quickly.
C. W. L. This probably is not particularly pure,
you know.
C. J. Plenty of Hydrogen coming out there.
C. W. L. And it is supposed that one in a thou
sand will be double Hydrogen?
C. J. Double the weight, but what is its
construction nobody knows.
 

C. W. L. Well, wait a bit. We'll see. It does not

form bubbles as quickly as the other did.
 

C. J. This is ordinary water; it has more dirt in it, and so more Hydrogen is released. Still all the same Hydrogens ?
 

E. W. L. I have not seen anything yet that I can

differentiate.
 

C. J. Shall I slow it down ?
 

C. W. L. No. If we have to wait for one in a thousand. we'll probably have to wait some little time. (,After half a minute:) Are they supposed permanently to keep this double form ? Because there is one thing there-you know the shape of the thing? Now sometimes two come out crossed, like crossing each other.

C. J. Two what?
 

C. W. L. Hydrogens. They lie across one another like that (illustrates by making a cross with his fingers). They may separate again. It is only a temporary alliance I think. Ordinary Hydrogen when you have him is unmixed.

C. J. Does he go like this ? (drawing two

circles crossing).
 

C. W. L He is ovoid. In some cases there is another ovoid lying across him. You might say he had married, but I am afraid divorces are possible in that union.
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C. J. Well, will you investigate if both Hydro
gen. are alike. We found in Hydrogen
two triangles. Is it that of Oese two
Hydrogens one is a more positive
variety ?
 

C. W. L There are the two kinds that meet in

that queer way.
 

C. 1. They do not hold?
 

C. W. L They do not necessarily hold, but I presume they might do so. They ran apparently enter into that temporary alliance and then fall away again; but some of them do not.

C. J. When they enter into alliance, do the

separate sphere walls coalesce ?
 

C. W. L No. They lie across one another: (Makes a drawing.) The Hydrogen is generally eggshaped. but there may come another fellow who for the time seems to be like that. (Draws). Yes. they coalesce, but they do not go into one circle like that.

C. J. I see.
 

C. W. L You have raised only about three of

these. How are they coming on now?
 

C. J. Here I may get it out of distilled water. Do more come out of the dirty water than out of the distilled ?
 

C. W. L. Only three (double Hydrogen) altogether

so far. Now I am waiting for another.
 

C. J. Do you think it is generated by the

electric current? Not a natural thing ?
 

C. W. L. The electric current breaks up the water.
 

C. J. It may be an artificial product caused

by the current,
 

C. W. L. We would have to take averages, wouldn't we? That is very dirty water. Is it coming more quickly?
 

C. J. Yes, much more quickly.
 

C. W. L Yes, now there is another twisted fellow.

crossed. Is there any smell ?
 

C. J. Well. Hydrogen has not much smell anyway. Can you see any more in the stream coming out from the point?
 

C. W. L It is all rather a phenomenon, as far as

I can see.
 

C. J. And then?
 

C. W. L. There is one fellow holding together with another that has gone up to the ceiling.

C. J. Distilled water now.
 

C. W. L. Not so rapid. Strange they should cross one another in that queer way. In the three or four we have seen, there are the two different kinds of hydrogen of course. That seems a fortuitous cross; but it must be something more than that. because there are always two different kinds.
 

Mr. Leadbeater soon found that it was not necessary for him to have an element before him for investigation, provided he knew where that element was to be located. Thus, for instance, in connection with the investigations at Adyar in 1933. one element hunted for was Masurium. It seemed likely that this new element might be found among Rubidium salts, but I had no Rubidium salts, and at the moment of investigation I could not procure any in Madras. It was therefore necessary to look for it elsewhere. I had with me several chemicals procured from Hilger and Co. Their address was on the samples, in Rochester Place, Camden Road, London. Mr. Leadbeater could find this street easily, and from Adyar he located the laboratory of Hilger and Co. He then saw where all the chemicals were stored in bottles on shelves. The next thing was to find out where were the bottles containing Rubidium salts, and for this he had to tap the mind of one of the assistants who was working among the bottles; he then located the salts. but Masurium was not among them. He promised to take up the investigation at night during sleep. Meanwhile I found that Masurium was discovered in certain oxides. These oxides were among the rare earths that I had procured from Hilger and Co.
 

Another instance of the way that an examination could be carried on at a distance was in the case of the Radium emantions. We had not Radium at Adyar but some was kept at the Madras Hospital. I went to the hospital and saw where the needles of Radium were kept in a lead cabinet. When I got back the picture in my mind of the room and the cabinet was sufficient and he then watched the Radium emanations.
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One noteworthy fact recorded in these investigations was the existence of isotopes. It was in 1913 that isotopes were discovered by chemists. But already, in 1907, isotopes were recorded, and diagrams given, of the isotopes of the inert gases, Neon, Argon, Xenon and Krypton. One was noted of Platinum and another in 1909 of Mercury.
 

Isotopes were not specially sought for by the clairvoyant investigators but some were found and catalogued though no special names were given to them except to use the term " meta " before the name of an element or to speak of a Platinum B or Mercury B.
 

In April 1908 Mr. Leadbeater wrote to Dr. Besant, " It is quite possible that Radium being a heavy element there may be two or three forms of it differing only by a few Anu in each spike or funnel." He also sensed the possibility, which has now become an accepted fact, that the speed of a particle can change its mass. For in the same letter he writes " As to the matter of atomic weight, it occurs to me that that may not always depend entirely on the number of Anu. May it not conceivably be affected by their arrangement and the direction and rapidity of their motion "?
 

C. W. L. Can we get hold of Chlorine 1 I have some impression that there is a male Chlorine and a female Chlorine. This is how he looks then. Has Chlorine 12 funnels at the top and 12 at the bottom ?

C. J. You would expect the atoms to be of

the same weight.
C. W. L. I do not know why they need to be the
same weight. We do not know which
of these things are on the whole positive
and negative. Negative I suppose on the
whole?

C. J. Roughly speaking all Chlorine is.

C. W. L. It is a dumb-bell thing with a little
funnel running up here. A queer
greenish looking thing. His funnels
are exactly the same as ours and both
his globes. This is the same as ours. I
 

will let him go and we must catch some more.
 

'That is the same as ours. Here is one which looks a little more dropsical. He is a good deal fatter in the middle. His funnels are more stumpy. Look here, this is different. You have got this drawn as a cone, but really it comes down more like that and bends in more sharply. The thing is not an absolute straight cone, not quite so big a difference as that. It is according to what it allows for. Now the point of this fellow is-now just wait one moment. It is here; In the ordinary variety there are two two's, one above the other. In the Isotope the upper two becomes a three.

C. J. That gives one extra Anu in each funnel,

24 extra Anu in all.
 

C. W. L. And now wait a minute, you said he was fatter in the middle. Now, wait a minute, he is a little elusive. I have not got him quite in focus yet.

C.1. I should think the central bar was the

same.
 

C. W. L. No, it is fatter, and I am trying to see at the moment why it careers about bewilderingly. I don't quite get it. Can you change one of these things into another.

C. J. They say they are the same in weight.

Let us try these globes at the top.
Normally the globe contains four Anu
in the centre and six Anu round him.
 

C. W. L. No, you are looking at it edge wise. I am turning him round flat to you. Now the central part looks like a hexagon. If you turn him round, don't you see that there are really six Anu arranged not in a hexagon. I can't get him right.

C. J. Six points of an octahedron ?
 

C. W. L. That is it. You are right. There are four of them on one plane and when you look at it edgewise you see only three. There are six Anu in the middle of this creature. in the middle of each globe instead of four. Yes, that is it. There are six in the middle of each of those and that somehow makes a fatter
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cigar. I don't see that the cigar is different, but the cigar is thicker and that is because of the action of the two globes. It shortens him in proportion to his length. Let this fellow go and let us get another.

C. W. L. We have got six Anu instead of four in each globe. That makes 28 extra. That is all I can raise. Let us catch another. We had better catch about forty. Look for another fat one. They are coming floating up from the sea. The thinner things are what we dealt with before. I get only a few of those. That thing is not pure in some way. Its numbers are the same, but it has that curious effect. It has been acted upon by something, and it has not sharpened it off. We can clean one of those things. I can take him and shake him free on the physical plane. You would call it green scum. You can blow it off ; wash it away, and then it appears to be an ordinary globe. It has the effect of that, but what that was I don't know. But it does not alter the thing fundamentally. He has been in some condition or some combination and has only just escaped from it and he has not shaken it off. Only a very few. Let us get another fat one. Here is a fine pot-bellied creature like a mandarin. He is rather sluggish. His funnels are of the larger kind. The triangle is askew. It is a triangle in three dimensions. There are only those three and they are arranged at the corners of some. The three is all right and his globes are of the six variety.

Right at the centre of the bar there is a fellow five ; the reason why he is there is because the six of the globe is especially attached and they try to get together and they crush the bar.

the five of the centre bar and the top

and bottom.

C. W. L. It is always to the centre and the bar with the end globes are attached. That is the thing that holds them spinning. The six either pulls more strongly or

offers more to pull. It is the same number, but it is drawn. I believe you are right there because that would account for the fattening of the bar that he is a more stumpy bar.

have not got them in the others?

C. W. L. Yes the corners of an octahedron.
C. J. Those are the outer six?
C. W. L. But the inner six also.

C. W. L. The inner six is a sphere by itself. The whole thing is not flat like this, it is an octahedron set askew to the other. It is like so many guns arranged not to interfere with one another's fire.

varieties.

We might just as well have hit on one

of those fat ones first. There is a good

deal of chance about this business.

C. J. Do you think he would get into salt?

C. W. L. You can try. Think of the holy water. Now hold steady because I am going to fetch it. I am getting mainly out of that particular salt the 35 varieties. He is not 35 ; he is 35.5.

tions we got them out of mineral water

bottles.

C. W. L. I think the salt we used this morning seems to be mainly of the 35 variety. Sea salt does not appear to be this; it has traces of all sorts of other things. That is refined salt.

We will go to mother ocean. The sea is rather mildly salt. Here is a molecule, no. he is the 35 variety.

Yes, we can find your 37 in the salt from the sea, at least I have found one, let us hunt further. It means bringing one down from the etheric to the physical.

Yes, there are both kinds anyway.

I think there are some, but I think there are very few. I did find some but only comparatively few. There are some of the fatter kind also.

weights. They behave just the same chemically. Perhaps they were originally all alike.
 

I can imagine any number of transitional conditions, but they would die out. They would not be permanent, there would be some left.
 

Mr. Leadbeater could investigate at any time, provided his brain was not tired. Several of the investigations in 1933 took place in the evening while he was lying on a sofa and a masseur was working on his legs and feet. One particular evening while the old masseur was pounding him, we were trying to locate Erbium. Erbium is of the same family as Samarium and Iodine which had already been described. C. W. L. thought he would make an experiment as we had no Erbium at the moment. He put together the parts that appeared in the central rod of Samarium, this time three of them instead of two, to see if they would cohere. They would not; but when the connecting rod of Silver, of 19 Anu, was placed in the middle of the three, there was not only perfect cohesion but also a very great vitality. Then the funnels of Samarium were stuck on; everything held. This seemed to show that the experiment was a success and that what was put together was really an atom of Erbium.
 

But obviously this was not enough, and so the search continued. What was to be done next? We knew that Iodine exists in the sea. Immediately it occurred to him to look into the sea for Erbium. He got into touch with a sea nature spirit, a Triton, who, he knew, lived in the sea near Adyar beach. He asked the Triton if he knew anything of the kind in the sea, and showed him the alchemically constructed Erbium. The creature answered, " Yes, we will bring it," and quickly brought a handful of natural Erbium. The atoms of Erbium which the Triton brought were like spiculae, or a handful of tiny pencils held in the hand.
 

Another case when nature spirits were used by Mr. Leadbeater was when he investigated Polonium in August 1933. Polonium exists in pitchblende and pitchblende is found in some mines in Ceylon,
 

in the district of Sabaragamuwa. Mr. Leadbeater had been in that district in the early years of his work in Ceylon; so that night, while asleep, he went to Ceylon and located the mines. He arranged for some nature spirits to act as scouts and look for the element. This was a kind of game for the creatures. At last they found three Polonium atoms.
 

Mr. Jinarajadiasa once took, as a tonic, a particular preparation made according to the Ayurvedic or Indian system of medicine, a compound of Gold and Sulphur. After the many processes of fractionation according to the Ayurvedic compounding, the Gold ceases to be colloidal and exists in some other form. When this compound entered the body, the life forces in the body were discovered to have made a new combination. The funnels in Gold had disappeared, leaving only the central " solar system " made from Occultum. The funnels of Sulphur bad been separated, and two funnels floated above the top of the system and two funnels at its base. This was a new artificial element, which circulated in the blood stream. No investigation was made as to what happened afterwards to the artificial combination.

Ozone, p. 96

C. J. Now, what about Ozone?
 

Are there two types, one male and a half, and one female and a half ?

C. W. L. We must try to look at the production of Ozone and try to make three Oxygen into two Ozone.

C. J. Or pick up one and describe him.

C. W. L. What we want to know is how he is
produced.

C. J. No, what we want to know is, are there
two kinds ?

C. W. L. It looks as though there must be. Are the atomic weights of the Oxygen snakes the same?

C. J. Yes, we have taken them to be so.

C. W. L. I think we may take it that there are
two kinds of Ozone. Yes, but what
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I do not understand is that one kind
appears to be lighter than the 'other.
It cannot be that it is lighter, but
there must be some repulsion.
C. J. Otherwise they look the same, I suppose.

C. W. L. You have them arranged in a triangular

way. You see that these two cross one
another like that. They come nearer
together and the other takes up its place
so that the three are equidistant.
C. J. I suppose that the first two are inter
twined.
 

C. W. L. Yes, but you know how they are intertwined. One goes round this way to your right. The other goes that way, do you see, and here is another which goes the same way. but half way between the two. But they all come together at the same nodes, they all come together there. Your original two cross one another at a point and this is the same.

C. J. That is important
 

C. W. L. But what is odd is that each unit which has two positives and one negative, two males and one female, these promptly rise as though they were lighter. But they are not lighter because the number of Anu must be the same.

C. J. Here is the scheme.
 

C. W. L. Yes, there ought to be three equidistant as you look at them. That is the impression which it gives me, but remember that exists in many dimensions. What I want to know is whether what you call Ozone down here on this level is one male and two female. There is also other Ozone which is one female and two male, but that goes to higher levels. I mean that physically it ascends.

C. J. Is the upper region of the atmosphere

made of that?
 

C. W. L It does not become lighter than Hydrogen, but it ascends. It does not go very high. I am going to try the Blue Mountains. Have they never discovered Ozone at higher levels ?

C. J. I do not know. I do not see why not.

C. W. L. Is this Ozone supposed to be perma
nent?

C. J. I should not gather so.
 

C. W. L. It seems to me that it has a tendency

to revert.
 

C. J. The main thing I gather is that it is unnatural to hold these extra male and female Oxygens together.
 

C. W. L. Yes, but I do not yet see why the masculine Ozone ascends, because the number of Anu is the same. It is probably a question of polarity.

The five interlaced tetrahedrons, Ne 120, p. 29 and p. 250
 

From the days of the Pythagorean School. certain relations among the Platonic solids have been known. Thus the primary solid is a tetrahedron composed of four triangles, with one as the base, making a three-sided pyramid. When two of these tetrahedrons interlace symmetrically, two more Platonic solids can be constructed. First by joining the eight points of the two tetrahedrons we have the cube, then by joining the intersecting points of the two tetrahedrons we have the points for the octahedron. As already mentioned. the dodecabedron and the icosahedron can be derived from five intersecting tetrahedrons. This complicated figure is that which we identify as Ne 120. and it was known to the investigators when they were doing their work in 1907. A striking fact to be noted is that there are two forms of this group of five interlaced tetrahedrons; dextro and laevo, one turning to the right and the other to the left.
 

C. W. L. Does this eat things, is it like an acid ?

C. J. Yes, it eats fats and such things; it is

caustic and burns.
 

C. W. L. Then I have to mix these two things

together as it were?
 

C. J. N0. I had it as a solid, but now it has changed. It was in pure white bars. I must get some more.
 

C. W. L. Was it sealed up in any way? C. J. Only with a cork
 

C. W. L Moisture has got in, for there is a good deal of water here. It is not water, it is OH. It has acquired fresh Hydrogen. You do not suppose that it has resolved
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itself into its elements ? I expect that I can .do something. It has eaten away the whole cork. Ah, this must be the caustic at which I am looking by its intense activity.

C. J. What is it like ? I imagine that the

Oxygen would not change.
 

C. W. L. It has arranged itself differently. Wait till I get it clear. Sodium also is a thing which rather clings to its original shape. It does not very easily change.

C. J. It did with Chlorine in common salt,

NaCl.
 

C. W. L. It was the Sodium there which broke up.
 

C. J. Both of them.
 

C. W. L. I wish I could draw; I have not the right curves. How does it curve ? These are funnels whose ends come in much more than normally. They would be flat normally, but they are not now. There ought to be twelve of these we know.

C. J. The Oxygen goes round the regular

Oxygen curve.
 

C. W. L. Yes. it is flattened down. The Oxygen is widened out and this goes into the centre instead of leaving it hollow. Here we have Hydrogen distributed rather oddly. You may say that that thing is floating there, but the thing is that each of these seems to belong to, to be connected with, four of those funnels. I do not know, but I think its real direction may be more to this central ball. Its lines of force are running among them like this.

C. J. That is practically the same as in OH.
 

C. W . L. Of course, but this is NaOH. How is this going to get clear when they break up? Do they break up easily?
 

C. J. It combines.
 

C. W. L. Yes, I see that it does that. In that of course there is no Oxygen. The difference is that the Oxygen winds round the Sodium, and instead of the bar being ovoid, it becomes cigar-shaped owing to the Oxygen around it.

C. J. Has the Oxygen become fatter?
 

C. W. L. Shorter and fatter. Fatter it must be.

unless the particles are much further
 

apart. This is about the curve. They do not come further than this proportion from the central thing. What is this anyhow? NaOH. It is not a pleasant thing.

C. J. No. they use it for washing pots and

pans and making soaps.
 

C. W. L. It is unpleasant and feels as though it

would burn one.
 

C. J. Yes, of course it would, it is caustic.

Hydrochloric Acid, HCI, p. 269
 

C. J. This is Hydrochloric Acid. Can you feel

it is powerful ?
 

C. W. L. I feel power radiating from it.
 

C. W. L. I have no Carbon in this. apparently only Hydrogen and Chlorine. I have a dumb-bell here.

C. J. You have two half Hydrogens floating

top and bottom or dancing round the
middle bar?
 

C. W. L. The curious thing is-of course it ought to be a gas because Hydrogen and Chlorine are both gases, but the Hydrogen appears to set up a tension underneath it. You see rather the two central globes of the ends of the dumb-bell.

C. J. How does it set up a tension-as in

Hydroxyl?
 

C. W. L. In Hydroxyl it floats very loosely. In this case, it does not at all; somehow it is drawing up the central ball towards it. You are getting the thing in a tense condition like a string. If I take away the Hydrogen, the Chlorine jumps back into its ordinary form. In Hydroxyl it kept up its line down the centre of the Oxygen snake, but does not make any difference to the Oxygen snake. In this case it does make a difference to the Chlorine atom. It is like the centre of a sphere, the little globe with the funnels running up from it, the globes are drawn up and down and yet at the same time the whole dumb-bell is somehow compressed-now why? I suppose when the Hydrogen is separated in two .triangles a tension is set up between the two. They are trying to get together
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again. Now that compresses the central bar of the dumb-bell, but instead of pressing in the two flower centres, as it were, the two globes at the end of the bar and in the middle of the funnel, it draws them up towards it. How does that work? Why should it at the same time draw the balls towards it and compress the central ball of the dumb-b ell ? It looks like an exactly opposite action.

C. J. Evidently the two ends of the Chlorine

dumb-bell must be of a differing electri
cal quality, so that when the positive half
of Hydrogen goes to the top of the
negative end they pull to each other
naturally.
 

C. W. L. They pull each other, but then why do they exercise such an attraction ? I am beginning to see-these two central globes. they also have a tension between them.

C. J. You know that they really belong to

the central rod of five spheres.
 

C. W. L. They have an attraction to it and while they are pulled away by the Hydrogen they are yet trying to get back to one another.
 

The effect produced is as though those two central globes were connected by a bar and so when you pull them up they must remain the same distance apart, although they are pulled up beyond their funnels, and consequently the central thing has to be shortened. The effect is as though the funnels and the central bar were all round an axis that ran between these two and you pressed the funnels a little nearer to one another without interfering with the central globes.

C. J. Do the funnels droop down ?
 

C. W. L. The funnels appear to remain just as they were, alternately pointing up and down, but they are nearer to one another and the central bar is shortened by this procedure.
 

That thing is like a spring coiled up. It wants to go back and there you may have an explanation of its power to eat into things, that it is in this condition
 

of tension. and probably as it eats into things the spring extends That would account for its extraordinary power; at least it might. When you see two or three of these things together I never know which is the cause of the others or which is the effect of some other cause which I do not see.

Carbon Dioxide, CO2, p. 271
 

C. J. Can you get hold of Carbon Dioxide and

see how Oxygen behaves there?
 

Do the Carbon funnels get broken up? C. W. L. Yes, but there is a centre piece of sorts in Carbon ?
 

C. J. Only four loose Anu.
 

C. W. L. Is Oxygen ever broken up ? I don't

think we have ever met with it yet ?
 

Carbon ought to have eight funnels, ought it not ?
 

C. J. Yes. it has eight funnels in pairs.
 

C. W. L. Yes. I can't get the hang of this quite. I don't seem to be able to get the Carbon right.

C. J. He is broken up. I suppose.

Does it put four funnels on top and
four below like a dumb-bell?
 

C. W. L. No, he seems-I don't get it clear. You say I am not likely to see CO, what about CO, ?
 

C. J. CO, is the thing which makes Carbon

ates
 

C. W. L. But is not seen alone ?
 

C. J. I think not. It is perhaps.
 

C. W. L. No, I am at present acquiring a thing in which the two Oxygens stand side by side. and they seem to distribute the Carbon at each end of themselves.
 

C. J. Two funnels over each end
 

C. W. L. Or are they balls now and not funnels? The thing rotates. What part of it then does the plant use ?
 

C. J. Carbon. I should think.
 

C. W. L. I must try to follow him into that.
 

C. J. The plants take the Carbon and give out the Oxygen. They are useful because they release Oxygen.
 

C. W. L. Yes, it would be easy enough to take

the Carbon away. I don't see exactly
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why the two Oxygen snakes remain together. Why they break away when you remove the Carbon funnels.
 

C. J. Do they keep together?
 

C. W. L. It must be the coherence of the Carbon

in some way.
 

C. J. What has happened to those four loose

Anu at the grand centre ?
 

C. W. L. I must go through the reconstruction of the thing and see where they go. Possibly they are the link.
 

C. J. I was going to suggest that they per

haps keep the two Oxygens in place.
 

C. W. L. Yes, only the Carbon is no longer projecting all round as it did before but is gathered at the ends.

C. J. At each end of these Oxygens ? That

means two funnels to each end. Two
funnels at each end of each of the
Oxygens.
Are they funnels and not spheres ?
 

C. W. L. They are truncated beasties ; they are flattened, but not exactly spheres. More pear-shaped.
 

C. J. And two side by side?
 

C. W. L. Yes.
 

C. J. Those two have not got their joining Anu there, but the joining Anu has gone to the centre, the bar of the " H " 7
 

C. W. L. Yes, but it is a different arrangement

from those we have had before.
 

C. J. How are those four Anu placed in the

centre-flatwise ?
 

C. W. L. It is very difficult to get directionsthey are whirling about and there is no top or bottom. You would have to represent them-no.
 

C. J. Are they at the ends of a tetrahedron ?
 

C. W. L. No. I seem to have one in the middle

and three arranged askew round it.
 

C. J. They are all positives, those four?
 

C. W. L. Yes. That is Carbon Dioxide. It is in a kind of shell spinning round vigorously.
 

C. W. L. The Oxygen has broken up the Carbon

thing badly.
 

C. J. Rearranged it?
 

('. W. L. It is very broken up. It sends two funnels to the bottom and two to the top. The whole thing is a kind of fire
 

work effect. It is less like a molecule than any of the others. All the others have had a certain regularity in form. It has one side up. It looks like an " H " from a certain point of view. All the other things have been capable of being turned about. As you turn him endwise, he is more like a line. This Carbon Dioxide must belong to a lower order of things. It is stable, is it not

C. J. Yes. I think so.

Now here is Carbon Dioxde, four Amu
in the middle.
Now what I want to know is do the
funnels stick out or are they side ways
or revolving on a plane ?
 

C. W. L. I think sloping upwards; remember the whole of this thing revolves, the whole lot of it goes round like that. What is this Carbon Dioxide? Now let us see First you want Carbon Dioxide. Now see here I will catch one. We are breathing them out ourselves all the time. I don't understand exactly how these things act. They rise very equally. Here is one anyhow. You see he has that double arrangement on each side of the centre.

C. J. Four Anu in the middle.
 

C. W. L. Yes, the Anu in the middle are like tiny points of light. The whole thing is swirling round. Up at the top there are two funnels. They seem to me to stand up like a creatures' ears and then they are twirling round all the time. They stick up looking to me like a pair of rabbits' ears, but the whole thing is spinning round.

C. J. Get one of these COs and remove

one Oxygen and then see what happens
to the other funnels.
 

C. W. L. But, see here, you can't remove the funnels. The funnels stay behind. You can pull out the Oxygen, but the funnels stay behind and they go and join the rest of the outfit. They go and join the rest and the whole seems to me to break up. I can't hold it together. If I withdraw one Oxygen the other Oxygen slips away.
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Wait a minute, perhaps I can hold it when I take one away. The whole tendency is for the whole thing to go off like an explosion. The Carbon funnels reunite themselves and the tendency is for the other Oxygen to fly off. Suppose I hold him and put him together with the Carbon. I think I can artificially make him into your Monoxide. But he is very volatile, not a secure creature; he does not very readily take up that combination.

Carbon Monoxide, p. 271 r.
 

C. W. L. You say I can get Carbon Monoxide.

Where will I find him?

C. J. I can't produce him, I am afraid.

Monoxide is a rare thing unless you
knock out one of those Oxygens and
see what happens.
 

C. W. L The Carbon would go back more. You would then have the Carbon in two groups, top and bottom of the Oxygen. Yes, in that case with four funnels at each end.

C. J. Yes, and then I have four Anu.
 

C. W. L They had four of those Anu together, because there is no other place for them. I do not know what else they would do. Can these lose Anu ? It is rather a fresh order as far as arrangements go.

C. J. How are the four funnels? Merely

flat-wise with four of these loose Anu
in the middle, making a centre ?
 

C. W. L Yes, I was trying to see why they did not fit. It is an unsatisfactory looking thing. It is different from all of the rest.
 

C. J. I want to know where these four

Anu are.
 

C. W. L. The four Anu appear to be balanced

round the centre of the Oxygen.
 

C. J. Down inside?
 

C. W. L. No, outside and equidistant round it like a cross in the middle of the thing, outside but equidistant from the two ends. But this is a thing I have made myself and I am not prepared to say it would come out like that in nature. I have taken one; this thing is
 

all the time trying to escape apparently to get another Oxygen. My CO is an artificial beast entirely and may not represent the genuine thing. I have let him run his own way. That is the scheme of it. Can I make CO,? I can't make the thing stick together. Is COs a thing you can get by itself, because I can't make my fellows stick together. When I add this third one he simply won't add at first, but if I hold him steadily together a bit, then the four will more or less adjust themselves to go round between in the middle of three instead of two making three legs to a stool, in three parallel lines. The four Anu will go into the middle of that lot, but I cannot distribute the funnels at all. They stick where they are. I have got this Oxygen stuck on, and this Oxygen is free. It has nothing to balance it at either end. Secondly, it is all the time spinning the arrangement round. and if I take my will off it, it will not hold together.

Calcium Carbonate, CaCO3, p. 274-6
 

C. W. L. This is one of those CO, things. How is the Calcium distributed ? Had we any drawing of that ?

C. J. Yes, we were looking at Sodium Car

bonate. (p. 272). Here is an Oxygen and
the Sodium went right through. And
then here was a third Oxygen, which
seemed to break up the Carbon.
 

C. W. L. The two of these things each have one Sodium, and the third Oxygen got the Carbon funnels, but the four Anu of the Carbon centre became a grand centre in the middle round which these other things revolve.
 

This is the same thing; but substitute Calcium for Sodium; you have only one Calcium and you have two Sodium.

C. J. Calcium consists of four funnels and a

grand centre.
 

C. W. L. A much bigger centre. This is quite a different thing, a central globe of eighty Anu; this is a much bigger business.
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Can you double this and have two Calciums ? I don't quite see how you could have two of Calcium. If so, the arrangement would have to differ. I can see the one, but I cannot quite see how you could have two.

C. J. Then don't bother. There is no need,

because Calcium has a particular
valence.
 

C. W. L. Yes, but your three Oxygens. one of your three Oxygens has Carbon just as it had before. But vour two other Oxygen pillars divide the Calcium between them.

C. J. Well, Calcium is composed of four

funnels and bow do they divide ?
 

C. W. L. I have four funnels, one at each end of the two pillars of Oxygen, but the thing in the centre is a queer complex looking beastie. Those four Anu revolve round their common centre.

C. J. Which four? In Calcium?
 

C. W. L. No. when we broke up something else.
 

C. J. Yes. four Carbon Anu. the nucleus of

the Carbon.
 

C. W. L. But here I have the nucleus of the Carbon forming apparently satellites to the centre of the Calcium which is a much bigger globe.
 

C. J. Is the central globe from Calcium ?
 

C. W. L. The central globe of Calcium takes the central position in this scheme and has apparently four Anu revolving round it like moons, like satellites. The Calcium centre globe does not break up. But because of this central thing it seems to me that there is a slight curvature of the Oxygen pillars. It looks to me the central thing is so big comparatively that the others seem to curve a little ; it is very slight. It ii spinning all the time, and the way the thing seems to me to show itself is in a certain waving of the two ends, instead of going round absolutely on its axis like that, it seems to me as though it were going a little like that at the two ends. All these things appear to either generate or to be accompanied by mild electrical discharges or phenomena, This thing is either generating electricity in
 

its spinning or it is being spun by electricity.

C. J. They postulate electrical phenomena;

there is a sort of exchange of electrical
qualities.
 

C. W. L. I am not at all sure that electricity is not keeping the whole thing going. Either it is that or in its action it is generating electricity; which is likely, either, neither or both. I suppose you can't tell ?

C. J. I could not answer, but I could well

imagine that wherever there is a combi
nation you might have a new type of
force, flowing from the superphysical.
 

C. W. L. Because that would be the work of the Second Outpouring, the work of the Second Aspect of the Logos. The only thing is I wish I knew which is the cause and which is the effect. As far as I can see it is equally possible that electricity may be producing or driving these things. Producing the phenomena or that the phenomena may be producing the electricity. because though the things, the spinning posts of Oxygen and this little central ball, do not touch one another, remember their auras, so to speak, their fields of activity do, and that there is friction between all that. The friction may be producing the electricity or on the other hand the electricity may be causing the rotary motion. So far as I can see, you may have is either way. How am I to find out? Don't you .think this is some higher grade or more primitive type of electricity with which we are dealing. This is another atomic thing, molecular electricity. Would not that be something finer, (if one can think of electricity being finer) than what is produced by machinery. Is electricity known to exist in different layers, I have not heard of it? You see the electricity with which we generally deal is emphatically physical electricity. But there is that which corresponds to it on the astral plane which we have always
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called astral electricity, but that may
not be the right name for it.
C. J. There must be on the astral plane the
energy of the Third Logos, and electri
city is one form of it on the physical.
 

C. W. L. Yes, it is supposed to correspond to

Fohat.
 

C. J. It is the astral Fohat.
 

C. W. L. This is not exactiy that. I think I can get at that. The electricity which you produce by friction, the thing you produce that way has a connection through the lowest ether. It will attract purely physical objects, bits of paper, anything. Now, I think that we can manufacture and utilize a kind of electricity, if the name is applicable to it, it looks like it in every way. Yes, do you remember when she (Dr. Besant) breaks up the elements, she has four stages, corresponding to the four etheric levels. I am not quite sure, but I think that all the electricity that we normally use works on that fourth level. But that if you break up your chemical atoms, that is the chemical atoms of the thing, the electricity which is generated by them is on that next third level, and therefore I do not think it would be perceptible to your instruments down here. But if it were, you would consider it a very weak and infinitesimal charge down here, but it is not in the least infinitesimal on its own plane. It seems to produce or be produced by very rapid motions indeed. So it is a very strong thing on its own level, although it amounts to a very weak imperceptible trickle down here. Do they know anything about any finer kind of electricity ?

C, J. I have not heard of it.
 

C. W. L. It is just possible that the usual kind, I take it as certain that it exists, is on the fourth ether and a different kind on the third ether. I take it as practically certain to be finer kinds on the second and the first. Would any of those produce a perceptible effect on the physi

cal plane?.
 

C. J. The effects produced would be very

slight.
 

C. W. L. They would be enough to affect things

in a vacuum tube.

Sulphuric Acid H2S04, p. 281
 

C. W. L. It is a tremendously powerful thing evidently. This is one of the things which eats other things away. How does it act ? The Oxygen must get out and combine.

C. J. Then the Oxygen is fairly free to

go off ?
 

C. W. L. I am not quite sure about that. It is a different arrangement somehow. Let me look. Yes, this is odd. How do you make this thing anyhow? How do you imprison this Oxygen is this peculiar way?

C. J. This is a tetrahedron evidently. The

Hydrogen is evidently at the corners
of the tetrahedron floating about.
 

C. W. L. They have got that the wrong way round. They have got Sulphur in the middle. It does not seem to go that way. The four Oxygen lie flat and make a star in the middle radiating out from one another. We generally think of them as constantly upright. If you stand them upright you have a cross. Outside of each of those is the Sulphur funnel, but instead of having three slices in it, it seems to have nine. That is to say your three are broken up in each funnel. There is one funnel to each Oxygen. Here, let me draw the thing. The Oxygen is a snake, but the snake is in a kind of arrangement like that. The nine things are arranged in a circle round this point only they do not lie flat, but in a circle. Then over here floats half a Hydrogen. But the Oxygen is in the middle and here in the middle there is nothing visible, but the force wells up there.

C. J. Is it a force which comes up from the

underworld? It would be a negative
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force as there is no centre in the middle.
 

C. W. L. There is no visible centre, but there is

a very tremendous force.
 

C. J. The whole thing is negative, the whole

compound is acid.
 

C. W. L. It does not act negatively. Its action

is very vigorous.

C. J. It is force, then, which is coming from

the super-physical. We have called the
force which comes from the super
physical down on to the physical the
positive and the other the reverse, the
negative.
 

C. W. L The whole thing seems to me a very powerful and active thing. I don't know how much is involved by the use of the term negative, but if you mean thereby a sort of passive thing lying there and doing nothing, I don't think it is. It is a very powerful thing, but nevertheless it may be negative from your point of view.

C. J. What I mean is, that sort of formation

would jump at a union with a positive
thing. Does this
 

C. W. L. That is what I am going to see.

C. J. The suggestion is that four Oxygens with

the four funnels of Sulphur together
make a negative group. That is why
Hydrogen comes along and, being posi
tive, combines and similarly Calcium will
combine and Sodium. The attraction is
between positive elements and this thing
which is a negative form. I don't know
whether it will work.
 

C. W. L. This thing breaks up most other things. Of course it can do that by attraction as well as by repulsion. It does not follow that it breaks up by the force it throws out, it may do it by sucking in.

Ferric Chloride, FeCl3, p. 286

C. J. Here is Ferric Chloride, with Iron and

three Chlorine atoms. I gather the Iron
would remain just the same ?
 

C. W. L It is a very queer thing with Iron, it is

so spiky.
 

C. J. I have never yet solved why 14 bars, because it seems such an odd thing. It looks, what shall one say. not proportioned.
 

C. W. L Iron does not seem to have any centre of its own. The fourteen pairs are not radiating from a centre. It is as though seven pencils had been put through

C. J. That is not the way we have got it. We

had six balanced, and then one grand
top and one grand bottom.
 

C. W. L. You mean, one with six round it, and one at the top, but sufficiently opposite one another ?
 

C. J. They are not symmetrical
 

C. W. L Not equidistant ?
 

C. J. No, because the top and bottom cannot be equidistant, because you cannot get fourteen equidistant in a sphere.
 

C. W. L. There is another four just like this on

the other side which does not show.

I am getting the idea of that.

C. J. Unfortunately we have three Chlorines

to go into the thing which is a very
heavy business.
 

C. W. L That will make a total of about nineteen hundred Anu. It is a little complicated, but I think we can sort it out. Only it will not go into the ordinary perspective. You see I have a mass of funnels here which radiate round my bars, only I can't exactly arrange them in relation to each other. I have an arrangement which I have not seen before. You see in the case of the dumb-bells in each of my Chlorines I have central forms for the flower at the end. You have six flowers. I have six centres of flowers. The funnels make the petals. The funnels are scattered off differently. I have got these six centres and I have also three bars, but they are shut in from themselves into something like eggs, as it were, rather than bars. I get a curious central grouping which appears to get inside the Iron-a grouping of a number of those spheres. The centres of the flowers appear to have got inside the Iron. But then outside apart from that here are
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all these radiating funnels. It is as though the centre thing was separate, and these others were equidistant. They do not seem to have any connection with individual bars, but the bar business is spinning round on its own account in the middle, and the other funnels are radiating roughly about equidistant. The groups are not connected with the bars.

C. J. How many groups are there ?
 

C. W. L. Now wait a moment; they are not particularly grouped. They are about equidistant They are sticking out, like an echinus, like spikes all round. The thing that bothers me is that though they appear to project, the distances between them are practically equal all round

Phosphoric Acid, H3PO4, p. 294
 

C. W. L. I will tell you what I get here. but I don't see why I get it. I don't understand why it is sometimes one and sometimes the other. I have two combinations which make H3PO4. From one point of view he looks like a cross; from another point of view he is radiating towards the centre of a tetrahedron. If I flatten him out so as to draw him he becomes a cross, but if I don't he is hopeless to draw, because some of the things are sticking from you. and some toward you. But it is as though from the centre they were pointing towards the sides of a tetrahedron. That is your O, which appears to be a body itself as it were.
 

Now, in some cases that breaks up the Phosphorus and it would appear that in some cases it doesn't I have an arrangement in which the six funnels of Phosphorus disappear and their twelve constituent cigars or whatever you call them, wine-cup arrangements, themselves corresponding to the ends of the four Oxygens. That is to say three to each, and then your Hydrogens float properly divided above those. But
 

I have another arrangement in which the Phosphorus does not break up like that but retains its six funnels and they point not to any particular Oxygen snake, but to the centre of the whole, and meantime, the Oxygen inside the group of four Oxygens are revolving much more rapidly than they are.

C. J. The six funnels pointing practically like

a cube ?
 

C. W. L. The four all acting like a centre, all spinning round violently-the others moving but not spinning with them. In the other case the Oxygen had broken up the thing.
 

In one case as the Oxygen went round, the four little wine glasses went with it. But now the Oxygen is spinning very rapidly on itself and these other things moving more slowly, pointing to the centre of the Oxygen. The Oxygen set of four is revolving by itself in the middle. These others are pointing at the centre round which it is revolving, but not apparently attached to the Oxygen spinners.
 

You have got two Hydrogens in some cases, you know. In that second case when the Oxygen is spinning so much more rapidly. the Hydrogen is removed to another subplane, broken up further. Your threes are then broken up.

C. J. Which threes ?
 

C. W. L. Our Hydrogen splits into three triangles. But your triangles in that case break up so that you get each triangle made of three balls. Well, two of those balls float above each of the Phosphorus funnels. but that has taken it up another subplane of the physical.

C. J. Two of them, what about the third

ball ?
 

C. W. L. That is planted over another ball, over an intermediate funnel. and there are six funnels in this scheme. and over each of those float two Hydrogens.
 

It is all on another subplane, because the triangle which is on a subplane above has now been broken, so it has gone one stage further back. You have
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two Hydrogen atoms here. That gives you four triangles, but instead of four triangles you have six groups of two.
 

Why should there be those two things which have the same constituents, but differently arranged chemically ? Those things will analyze exactly the same practically, though of course they are different. Why different and what is the result of the difference, I don't know.

C. J. You said there were six groups, taking

Hydrogen at a higher stage.
 

C. W. L. Look here. Hydrogen contains 18 Anu, and they are arranged, I think, in six groups of three. And two of these float over each funnel, only sometimes they are these two and sometimes one of those and one of these. But why? We can only note the facts and sort them out.

Ammonia. NH3, p. 297

C. J. I cannot image the Nitrogen ever being

broken up.
 

C. W. L. The three Hydrogens will float round him. The Nitrogen is a very inert beastie.
 

C. J. How does the Nitrogen arrange itself ?
 

C. W. L. The Hydrogens distribute themselves quite evenly round. You can have three double triangles.
 

C. J. It is quite easy, a three-decker affair.
 

C. W. L. There is the egg and in the middle

there would be the balloon.
 

You would get three negatives. I am getting almost a dumb-bell effect, because here are three negatives on a plane circling round that, and three positives on a plane circling round this. They are on a plane. I put this at the end, but really those are going round this that way. Supposing this to be your egg, there is one lot going round here which are negatives and there are another lot going round here which are positives, outside this thing which is apparently unchanging except I see an unfamiliar layer inside the Nitrogen.
 

These things act from outside rather magnetically. affecting the movements inside the Nitrogen, directing them, getting them. as it were, out of place. The whole thing is rolling round. They have lengthened the balloon somewhat. If we could suppose that the three things circling round here have set up some sort of funnel or strain here and these others have set up a strain, then that thing between the two is somewhat lengthened. is drawn in some direction towards the strain.

C. J. Look at these two things revolving.

There is one revolving clock-wise and
the other opposite-wise ?
 

C. W. L. I don't think they do. If they did, they would twist the Nitrogen atom and set up a strain in him ?

Which is the negative half ?

C. J. Presumably that top fellow is the posi

tive and the bottom is the negative.
 

C. W. L. The Hydrogen on the whole is

positive.
 

My impression is that these Anu arranged in a triangle are positive and the things arranged in a line are negative. Wherever there are two of them-there is a mistake there and I will show you the mistake in that drawing. I would have expected that there ought to be two lines in one. In one triangle, that is all right in one triangle, the things are all pointing to a centre. That is negative and that is positive.

C. J. There are two negatives and one

positive.
 

C. W. L. Then you would say that the triangle arrangement does not matter. It is a question of whether the Anu are pointing inwards or outwards. Then the one that has two negatives is the negative triangle obviously.

C. J. In this thing this lower triangle is the

positive and the upper triangle is the
negative
 

C. W. L. Then it will be the positive which is directed towards the negative and the .negative which is directed towards the positive.
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Ammonium Hydroxide. NH,,OH. p. 298

C. J. We have had one where there are three Hydrogens. This is NH, and an additional OH.

C. W. L. That is that Hydroxyl stuck on again, so the only thing is that here are four Hydrogens instead of three. This is not very different. You seem to have a sort of cross.

C. W. L. No, I have not got the Hydroxyl at all yet. I am trying to sort out the other part. It seems to me that you get more of these things going round. Your Oxygen and your Nitrogen waltz round one another and the other fellows make rings round them. You have got your five Hydrogen all right. One of them seems to be occupied in the Oxygen and Hydrogen group I think. There are four in this dance apparently and when the thing holds together they dance round the two and if you pull that away they adhere to the Nitrogen and the other fellow is linked to the Oxygen. But even he would break up if you pulled them apart.

First of all those three bodies come off with this. The three at the top and the three at the bottom, but they are very liable to break away altogether. When you pull him apart I rather think he returns to Oxygen and Hydrogen and Nitrogen.

are in two circles. Are there four

negatives on top ? If you look at one of

the Hydrogens you will find three

balls in a straight line.

C. W. L. Yes, that is all right. You mean the straight line keeping to one end of it and the triangles to the other ? Now we have four triangles.

C. W. L. I don't think they are. I think there are three negatives and one positive. I think I can shift them about. I can change them round and it does not appear to make any particular difference. I can take out that positive and change him for a negative and the thing spins just about the same, except that it does not get that wave round the surface. Does that matter ?

there are three there in the top three

they are all negative. I took for granted

they were. How are they distributed

in the rings?

C. W. L. There are three above one another, one being two straight lines of three. The top one being two straight lines of three.

C. J. Two triangles of three ?

C. W. L. Yes. but sometimes they are triangles and sometimes they are straight lines. That is what you call negative and positive. There are two positive in one ring. and two negative in another. and a negative and a positive in the middle. But in this other scheme you have four of those bodies in each ring and only two rings, But as I found it that time, I had three straight lines and one triangle at one end of it and three triangles and one straight line at the other. But I changed the places forcibly so that I had four triangles at one end and four triangles at the end. It does not make any difference except in the interior. The thing follows round, the rotation. We will call them positive and negative. The triangle as he goes round affects the surface of the thing round which he is rotating. and makes a tide in it. The straight line does not, so you have tides running round the surface of your Nitrogen. You have a tide following him round as the thing revolves and if you don't get that tide. then because of that he swells a little more at one end Does that make any difference ? I don't myself see that it makes any difference.

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but there is that fact. if that is of any use. It might be worth while making a note that there is a kind of tide on the surface of the interior atom which is made by the attraction of that Hydrogen. The straight line does not make the attraction.

Urea (NH2)2CO, page 301

C. J. This is a very interesting investigation.

You have got Carbon Monoxide, that
is this thing-the Oxygen and the four
Anu circulating round the middle.
Now also we have the Nitrogen balloon
with two Hydrogens, NH3.
 

C. W. L. I don't remember NH2.
 

C. J. What is the general description of the

figure of Urea ?
 

C. W. L. Well, Carbon and Oxygen in the centre, and these other things, the two Nitrogens each with a Hydrogen.
 

C. J. On either side like supports?
 

C. W. L. Yes. with the Hydrogen floating about them. The central thing can draw away the Hydrogen under certain conditions, I think.

C. J. You remember in the Water molecule

the way the Hydrogen is distributed.
Is that the same distribution here or is
it more like in Ammonia?
What is the position of the Hydrogen ?
 

C. W. L. We start with them attached to the Nitrogen in the regular way as in Ammonia. They always attach to Nitrogen-two rings, you can't reproduce that scientifically. If you throw your force into the Oxygen it will draw the force away from the Hydrogen and keep the Hydrogen floating over its ends above the Carbon. You run the risk of losing your Nitrogen. Would anything corresponding to that be the difference between the two kinds, artificial and natural Urea, at which you are aiming? Is that which they make chemically as stable as this produced naturally ?

C. J. Yes. I think so. It is the same thing as

far as they know. In any living thing
or a thing taken from living tissue I
 

think there would be that difference, that the factor of life would come in, and would draw the Hydrogen more to the Oxygen.
 

C. W. L. If that life, whatever life is, vivified the Oxygen, won't you have, in anything taken from living tissue, that factor of intensification by the vitality globules ?

Nitric Acid, HNO3, p. 302
 

C. W. L. There is only one Hydrogen here. We

had this before.

C. J. No, it was Hydrochloric Acid
 

C. W. L. But there is no Chlorine in this.
 

C. J. NO# ought to be a group by itself.
 

C. W. L. This appears to be a liquid.
 

C. J. Yes. but it is only held in water.
 

C. W. L. If that is the case, then this is likely to

explode.
 

C. J. No, it is diluted.
 

C. W. L. There is Hydrogen in that.
 

C. J. Yes, Nitric Acid is HNO3.
 

C. W. L. It is the Nitrogen which seems to suffer and not the Oxygen particularly. There are three Oxygens. They seem to be very little affected. but the Nitrogen practically disappears.

C. J. How are the three Oxygens arranged ?

In the form of a triangle ?
 

C. W. L. They stand round the remains of the Nitrogen, but the Nitrogen is broken up rather badly. These balloon arrangements we have destroyed practically. It is a little difficult to follow the condition of it. How are we to arrive at it ? See here (diagram). I cannot make it quite clear; it is so askew. The spirals are the Oxygen's ; they stand around it. But there are four more things which stand round it as sentinels, and they have no particular connection with anything else. It is a regular maze; that is why I have marked the Hydrogen plus and minus.

C. J. That is quite clear now.

Sodium Nitrate. NaNO3, p. 304

C. J. The NO3 will be the same as in Nitric

Acid. The Sodium is broken up hope
lessly.
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C. W. L. Yes, but there is much more.
 

C. J. Yes, because we have a larger number

of funnels.
 

C. W. L It has the same middle.
 

C. J. Do not bother about the centre; make

it the same.
 

C. W. L. I am not sure that it is the same. You

mean of course the balloon
 

C. J. Yes, the balloon is the same and the

three Oxygens are the same.
 

C. W. L. Yes but the rest is different.
 

C. J. Well, do the rest of it. The funnels go

half way into these balls. I think.
 

C. W. L. I do not think they do quite. Let us see how it worked when we were doing salt.
 

C. J. Here it is. It went into groups of two.
 

C. W. L. All the funnels broke up. The shape disappeared entirely. The Sodium went by twos. They became twelve groups of two funnels, They are here arranged differently.

C. J. You have two balls ?
 

C. W. L. I have a brush ; I have three balls.
 

C. J. Yes, but you have a central brush.
 

C. W. L. I see what you mean. he is a little larger than the others, but very little, and the funnels are arranged like the rows of a brush instead of being in a group as they were before. They are coming down between the Oxygens.

C. J. Do they come down in three decks ?
 

C. W. L I have eight in a line coming out from the centre. The funnels are coming out from the centre, sticking out. There are eight of them coming out here and there and there. They all go to the centre.

C. J. Now two of these balls are composed

of ten Anu, and some are larger.
 

C. W. L. Yes, and they are running loose in space

inside where the funnels start.
 

C. J. They are on two planes, I suppose ? Is

there any connection ?
 

C. W. L. Yes. but I do not know how to draw it.

We had better make it like this.
 

In addition to NO, you get an ovoid which is your Na14, and of the other two you get one going round there and one here, but they are going round and
 

do not intermingle. Going round the middle is the ovoid thing with an orbit of its own. The point is that these brushes stick out, four on each side belonging to that set, and four belonging to that one, like this.
 

There is more of a space here, do you see ?

C. J. But are all the revolutions in one

direction ?
 

C. W. L. Yes, they should go all in one direction. I do not think that the motions are retrograde. Originally there were twelve at each end. now the twelve belonging to this fellow make the twelve belonging to the other. four of them between the Oxygens, four there, and four there, do you see ? Four from this and four from that make the eight running like the rows of a brush. As you see they are like this. Four and an Oxygen and then another four. They seem to be fairly in the same plane. They may vary a little. Then there is the Oxygen between each of them, and this thing is sailing in the middle inside. I think I understand it now.

Potassium Nitrate, KNO3, p. 306

C. J. Now look. The difference is that here

is Potassium. NO& as a group stands
together. And here we have Potassium
as well as Nitrogen. In Potassium we
get two of these centres.
 

C. W. L. We get nine spikes of sixty-three Anu, and a central group of one hundred and thirty-four Anu, N110+4Li6. The Nitrogen balloon in Potassium is unbroken.

C. J. Yes.
 

C. W. L. But what bursts him up ? I suppose the Oxygen. Oxygen seems to upset everything else in natute, it is so active. It is rather curious. I see a vast number of little things, but the difficulty is to know where they come from.

C. J. They must come from the Potassium.
 

C. W. L. We must separate it and put it together

again. If you could put a tetrahedron
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over the head of that thing it would represent the way that they are arranged. But the first difficulty is that the two tetrahedrons are not arranged one on top of the other. They lie between each other like that. They do not point towards one another. They are a little askew, so that they would come in between each other. That is how they stand there. around the central oval. I do not know how you would represent it. It is this business of perspective which makes it so difficult. My specks come in between these, and yet they are not symmetrical. I cannot make them symmetrical.

C. J. These points. remember. are the points

of a cube, for two tetrahedrons inter
laced make a cube.
 

C. W. L. Yes. I see that. But they do not fit like that. They must fit in this way. What comes off them first. when you break these up? The Sodium ? This is Sodium. I have the wrong thing. Here is Potassium. You see. it is very oddly arranged. The best way I can do it is this. Yes, the whole thing does not seem to be duplicated, but this piece is.

C. J. How duplicated ?
 

C. W. L. I mean that I have two of these things revolving round a common centre, but I do not seem to get this double.

C. J. No. because that belongs to something

quite different, something which we
have not in Potassium. In Potassium
you have only this.
 

C. W. L. Well then, I have that. I have two of those going round a common centre. Well, these others are Hydrogen. But these other things stand still (there are seven of them, seven N9). It seems to remain as it was, except that there are two specks between the Oxygen. and instead of being as they were before, coming from one common centre, they are one above the other.

C. J. Are they three-deckers ? There are

three Oxygens.